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You probably remember Chino riding a mini-Harley during Hexagram's video shoot. The truth is that Abe and Steff also have one of those mini-bikes, known as "Hellraisers". Here's the link to the website of the Hellraisers constructor. Check it out at: http://www.mini-choppers.com/
And here's some pics of Chino, Abe and Stef's Hellraisers:
Once in a while I get some nice surprises that give me the strenght to go and keep this site alive... this is one of those surprises. I got an email some days ago with a pic,
FEITICEIRA - Deftones and THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE -The Smiths
PASSENGER - Deftones feat Maynard and THE CHARMING MAN - The Smiths
GIRL AFRAID- The Smiths and DIGITAL BATH - Deftones
BE QUIET AND DRIVE (far away) - Deftones and THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT - The Smiths
thanks to: Bev. Cheshire, England.
- Moana: Moana is the Maori (New Zealand native) word for the sea. Pronounced Mo-a-na, maw-a-na.
After you watch all the videos and all the flowers are colored (either red or blue), click on the right eye of the skull before you exit and you'll see a video titled "Stef cuts Chino's guitar strings". Then before you exit when the little box pops up, showing all the credits, click on the right eye again and you'll see a bunch of old pictures.
"Aria" was a working title for "Needles & Pins"
As you all might know Stef Carpenter shot a video for "Around the Fur", but unfortunately, it has never been released. The video was mainly shot in Japan, back in 1998, it contained nudity/drugs scenes. The little secret in all this is that you have already seen a little bit of it. Just insert your White Pony cd in your pc, then let the enhanced program run. Go to the "Indulge" part and check Chino's section. See Chino's short movie playin on the top? That's the ATF video... at least a part of it...see some screenshots HERE
Deftones' bassist - Chi Cheng - has a song with his own name, that is "Chi" from KoRn. Here's what Jonathan Davis had to say about that:
Paul: I know a lot of the other songs (from "Life is Peachy") are about childhood, what about some of the others like "Chi".
Also Thanks to: Hannes Tulatz
1. Do you want to see how Deftones' official site was in 1996, 1997, 1998 or 1999? If yes then click HERE
Rick Kosick (the camera guy from MTV'sJackass) is listed in the linear notes of all 3 Deftones cd's. Chi and Steph thank him in the Adrenaline notes, he does the photography in Around the Fur and he's thanked in the White Pony notes. Lets assume it's the same Rick Kosick because Chino Moreno was about to join Kosick on one of the Jackass' episodes. Kosick is also behind the Big Brother skateboard magazine...I've also heard that some members of the Jackass crew are from Sacramento...drop me a line if you find more about this. By the way did you know that Todd Wilkinson's (Teamsleep) nickname is "Snagulia"? Look at Chino's thanks on your Adrenaline booklet... props to: Carlo
During an episode of Jackass (Episode 7 - Runtime: 15:33), you can see a huge White Pony banner on some street in the show. check it HERE
This story was taken from the first Deftones Fan Page ever - DEFTONES SCREAMN CAT PAGE -
"About 5 years ago I was in a band called, (can you believe?) "ARGYLE WING-NUT" and we played shows at a place called the Cattle Club (check the liner notes of Adrenaline and the 7words video, where it was filmed). The Cattle Club is where the Deftones built up their huge following in Sacto. (that's what we natives call Sacramento) It has since closed down, but the owner, Jerry Perry really helped the Deftones out by letting them open for some of the bigger bands that already had a large following such as Mordred from San Francisco.
Bobby Nero is Frank Delgado's brother. Fame is often a by-product of being in a big band like the Deftones. While a Deftones member, Frank Delgado is not the most recognizable Deftones member, but he is fairly well-known. But despite what Frank might accomplish in his band, he probably figures not even to be the most famous member of his family. In California everyfootball fan knows Bobby Nero, he joined the UNLV Rebels in 2000 to play as a wide receiver.
Well here's anther old movie with a deftones-related name: "Charles Bronson is CHINO, a "HALF-INDIAN" horse rancher in New Mexico who takes in a teenage runaway, played by Vincent Van Patten. He classes with Maral, a wealthy breeder and falls in love with Maral's sister. When Maral sees what is going on, he has Chino beaten and jailed. In an interesting departure from the vengeance-obsessed killer seen so many times before and after, Bronson plays a sensitive man who just wants to be left alone."
Here's something interesting for the ones who emailed me asking how to put their hairs like Chino's hairstyle. I've found this on the Deftones newsgroup:
"Chino uses Murray's Hair Dressing Pomade. It's an orange tin container with 2 black people on it and they both have afros. Someone asked Chino in a chat once what he uses in his hair and this was his response. It's pretty cool stuff. It's cheap, too. As for the styling technique itself, you'll have to work with it. The key with the pomade is to use hot water after it is in your hair (which should be sort of damp). The pomade with the water will work basically like gel as far as styling goes. When messing with your hair, keep pulling it straight up and back a little. Eventually the right amount of pomade and water will do the trick. Unlike gel or hairspray, if you mess your hair up, you can fix it with some hot water. I would NOT comb it. Just use your fingers. They work better. From pics that I have, I think Chino's hair sticks together more than you realize. It's less individual hairs and more small groupings."
You can buy Murray's HERE
UPDATE: "Murray's is a pomade which is like beezwax... yes do you use hot water after putting it in your hair.. but it does not make it easy to work with though...you can get anywhere like Wal-Mart and its like $1.50 for a can.. it does not wash out until about 2 weeks. it does wear out though. its very messy and it even touch to wash it off your hands.. and it leaves a residue where ever you put your head.. like your pillow will get greasy and sticky when you sleep."
MORE TECHNIQUES: to apply: warm water and a comb...comb the pomade into your hair then style...get thick parts out with comb...
Chino Moreno: "It's called Murray's. It's pomade. It has a lady with an afro on the can, so I think it's for black people, but it seems to do wonders with me.
No, it's not the Deftones homevideo. This is a movie with the same title as the Deftones song "Back to School". Here's a description of that movie:
"A self-made millionaire decides to join his only son who is having difficulty in fitting in at school as a freshman in college. This impulse gesture sets him on a path to much laughter, a little romance, a lesson in things that money can't buy and unanimous acclaim as the most popular man on campus."
Starring: Rodney Dangerfield, Keith Gordon, Burt Young, Ned Beatty, Robert Downey, Sally Kellerman
thanks to: CARLOS ANAYA
I talked with Chino and Stef (last February) about the girl on the "Around the Fur" cover. First I asked Chino about her. He told me that I had to talk with Stef cause that was a friend of him. So I talked with Stef and he told me that the girl on the cover of ATF was a friend called Lisa. She used to work as a freelance model. Some thought that this girl was Celeste (Chino's wife) but it's not. You can check some pics of Celeste |here| and |here|. I've also noticed some weird things on the ATF cover... if you look closer to Lisa's right hand you'll see that she has two rings. To me those rings always seemed like a face (rings= eyes, middle finger=nose). ATF was a album in which Chino talked a lot about alcohol. "I drink too much" So the glass in the cover (near Lisa's right hand) might mean that.
On Ebay there was an auction for a Deftones pick, the description is pretty funny, obviously this person doesn't listen to much Deftones, the description went like this:
"This Deftones guitar pick is a cool find. The guitar player has violently scratched both sides of his picks, to go with his satanic mind frame. This pick is black and has a "$" on one side in white, and a circle with a satanic star in it on the other. These picks are thrown into the audience, they are pretty hard to catch in the mosh pit. They do not sell these to the public, the only way to get one of these is to go to the show. Highest bidder to include $1.00 for s/h. Be sure to check out our other items for sale on ebay!"
(thanks to Dan D)
You can check Stef's pics |here| --> Thanks to Gonzalo Cancino
At the Zetafest 2000 show at the Bicentennial Park in Miami, FL (July 23rd 2000) something really weird happened with Stephen Carpenter. During the whole show this man was pissed off with the crowd or something. While they were playing "Bored" he was really mad and he threw 2 guitars against the other side of the stage. Some songs after they played "Root" the crowd started to mosh so hard and stupidly, then Steph stopped playing and said "we just told you motherfuckers to be careful and you assholes keep fucking around you're gonna get hurt, and if I could I would come down and kick your ass motherfuckers" and he just walked away threw the mic to the floor and threw again one of his guitars which they look so clean and cool... email@example.com
One week after I post this, my friend Matt asked Chi about this incident...
Matt: Is this true?! What made Steph get so angry? Did you guys cut your set short because of it? Did you guys feel the same way as Steph? I was just wondering this because I've never heard of any of you guys being so angry at a concert. I'm sure he had a good reason to be pissed anyway...
Before Chi Cheng filled the bass shoes in the band, there was another bass player. The Deftones' first bass player was in fact a guy named Dominic Garcia (Dom). Dominic was Abe's schoolmate and was invited to jam with the band. But Abe was constantly moving from band to band, so Dominic moved to drums and bassist Chi joined the band. But Dominic was only a few weeks the Deftones' drummer cause he left the band earlier and Abe definitely took that place.
"Dominic E. Garcia
One of Ebo Okokan's newest sensations, Sacramento-bred Dominic Garcia has been making noise with his hands as long as he can remember. He started officially playing "drums" at age 7, which he taught himself to play listening to classic Latin Rock and R & B. Dominic began dancing in his teens, break dancing and competing on the streets under the rubric of "KidCraze." Dominic has experimented with a wide range of musical instruments including E-Flat Alto Horn, Trumpet, and Saxophone. He picked up guitar and bass, moving into the rock scene in 1988, performing most notably with the Deftones, and Phallusy. Dominic began his study of Latin percussion, (congas, timbales, and bongos) in 1995 and has just recently started studying Afro-Cuban rhythms, dance, and song with Harold and Beatriz Muñiz. Over the years Dominic has performed with numerous bands, including Les Moncada y su Orchestra, Salsa Monumental, Up from the Roots, Urban Fiya, and Rick Martin. And along with Ebo, he is currently performing with the West Coast Rhythm Section. In addition to performance, Dominic is studying musical theory, composition, and arrangement, and is in the process of forming a Sacto-based Charanga band."
much thanks to: Tania Silva
In the White Pony enhanced CD right after you hit exit, (Macromedia's log) you hear Chino's son saying something like "take this" and if you listen to the Napster rant, you can see that this exit sound was taken off the Napster Rant. (mp3 runtime= 44"). (props to Abby Diaz)
Possibly the Linus from Like Linus.....is a real person the Deftones know.... on the Napster Rant they put up before WP came out they're jokin around saying "buy WP, why are u stealing music...blah blah blah" so then (I guess Abe) starts jammin on the drums and the whole mp3 sounds like they're recording this funny shit at a party (chino, Abe and Frank are there for sure) so anyway after they start jabbering abe starts drummin and stops and Chino starts calling "LINUS! LINUS!" no one answers so chino gets on the mic and says "linus come here" and u hear some dude sayin "what's up mother fuckers.." and Chino says "get on the bass and give me a c sharp" (Much Thanks to Matt)
In 1999 there was a movie made called "The White Pony". It was about a leprechaun that helps a girl befriend a magical pony. It stared Olivier Gruner who played the uncle. At the end the white pony goes into a light and turns into a women and leaves. It was a very touching children's movie. (props to Michael Young)
I got more secrets for the enhanced White Pony CD:
- Clicking the 3 in Worldwide gives you the Abe ballooning animation.
Some are rumored to be true but didn't work with me:
- If you use the cheat Easter egg on the edge walls something strange will happen to your pony.
In the lung section all the lyrics that have "fuck" in them have it scratched out and in change at then end instead of saying "give you the gun, blow me away" it says "give you everything, blew me away" which was probably the original lyric - Thanks to Jessyca.
So if you find more secrets let me know -- thanks!
- Any time the color white is used, immediately there's a belief it's a cocaine reference. Is that the case here?
I got this one from the last Much Music Show with the Deftones (November, 2000). The chick who was interviewing them asked something to Chi about the reason why he studied feminism back in college and he answered:
Chi: "I took everything that I was interested in college rather than following a format, so I was there for maybe 3 or 4 years."
...Stef whispered "So he can hang with the chicks".
(thanks to Travis for sending me that show)
On almost all old Deftones shows and pics, Chino just holds his mic. But later like after he cut his hair he winds the wire of the mic around his hands and fingers. First I thought it was because he doesn't want to lose his mic when he dives into the crowd, but I've also watched shows that he doesn't dive so I think it's just because he feels more comfortable that way or something like that. Another difference from the "new Chino" and the "old Chino" is his behavior on stage. Nowadays he stands a lot on the inner speakers and he doesn't dive that much, he just climbs the crowd fence and stands there singing with the fans. (also thanks to Sly)
Additional info: With some Mics you can get some nasty sounds (clicking & popping) from the cord right at the base of mic moving around. If you take up a bit of the slack and isolate it (ie wrap it around your arm like Chino does) it'll eliminate those clicks and pops. (thanks to Kieran)
This is some freaky shit that. There's a dude named Camilo Moreno that was born June 12th (8 days before Chino) that died in Texas.
Much Thanks to my dear friend Robin Perkins
Here's a little bit of an old interview with Chino:
Tattoos? How do you feel about 'em?
Did you know that CHINO is also a name of a city near L.A.? That's true. (mainly all new houses and cows there)
If you check really close Papa Roach video "Last Resort", you can see that between all the fans showed there, there's a girl who has a poster of Chino in her bedroom.
This article was at the official BB. And apparently it came from a reliable source. It's about how White Pony got leaked and why there's different track names on Napster...
"The band only initially finished 12 tracks, and then finished Back to School over the summer making that 13 finished tracks for the White Pony sessions. If they had any leftover material, the band would have to go and finish it in the studio if they ever planned on releasing it. There's nothing really in the can right now. There's preliminary Team Sleep stuff being worked on and there's talk about a remix album. The only other things they did recently in the studio was work on some acoustic renditions of White Pony songs. Change acoustic was the only one they finished, and it was pretty much following the original version of the song. They started working on acoustic renditions of Digital Bath, Boy's Republic, and Knife Prty but didn't complete these tracks yet. These tracks were much more in the way of RADICAL REWORKINGS of them. There is an unfinished version of the Boy's Republic acoustic out there from those sessions, it remains unmixed, unfinished, and without vocals, and overdubs and whatever else the band needed to do to that song as well as Digital Bath and Knife Prty acoustic. Someone snuck a disc with that and the other unfinished tracks out of the studio and it was leaked by that way. Knife Prty and Digital Bath, did not get leaked however. One day these tracks may surface in a finished form as b-sides on singles, or if they have been reworked to the point that they would be deemed appropriate for inclusion on the proposed Black Stallion, then so be it.
NAPSTER TRACK TITLES:
- Flint Eastwood became Flint and then Change
One last thing, in an early fan site review, i believe, the band said they had finished up 2 songs that were from Team Sleep and BOTH of them were going to turn up on White Pony. Now as we all know, only Teenager turned up on it. Some say that RX Queen may have originated from Team Sleep but the band has said otherwise saying it was something Chino and Abe made together halfway through the album's sessions, as opposed to the various Team Sleep recording sessions the previous year.
BTW White Pony was leaked to the internet starting April 26, but it wasn't readily available until the 27th when it had been circulated to various FTP's and then eventually Napster."
(thanks to Brent Starr)
A Texas newspaper editor was fired for running a photo of the Deftones featuring singer Chino Moreno in a sweatshirt with the letters "fuct."
Most of you (men) want to know what Chino used to put in his hair (mostly before 'White Pony') to get that spikey style. Here's what he has to say about that:
Chino Moreno: "It's called Murray's. It's pomade. It has a lady with an afro on the can, so I think it's for black people, but it seems to do wonders with me."
There's a Depeche Mode cover with the font used on the 'White Pony'. That is called 'Avant Garde' font (Corel name). Coincidence I guess...
I read in Flavir Magazine a very old interview with Chino. He stated that before he went into music or skateboarding he got himself into break dance when he was about 11. Read this great interview |here|
Max Cavalera named his band - Soulfly - thanks to 'Headup' from "Around the Fur". Here's Max own words:
Max Cavalera: "The name came up on the Deftones 'Around the Fur' record (..) we wrote 'Headup' together. On 'Headup' says SOULFLY on it (...) And when we did this TV show, I announced the name (...) when I played with them... I grabbed the mic and said 'Hey I have a new band, it's called Soulfly...' and then we announced it right there."
Check these comments in |this| cool video. ( thanks to Hardkore)
Have you ever got autographed stuff from Chino? If yes, perhaps you've watched that he writes in a very funny way... He holds the pen with the back of his thumb!!! It's damn weird how he writes! You can see a pic of him signing some stuff |here|.
I read in Chi's personal liner notes on 'Adrenaline' that the first person he thanked was - "The Almighty Spirit That Moves Through All Things". I also read Chi's comments about that:
Chi: "A guy named Tom Brown Jr. studied under an Apache elder. instead of categorizing under one God-head, he saw that everyone was going to have their own interpretation of God and a sense of harmony. So, "The Almighty Spirit That Moves Through All Things" refers to the harmonious nature of whatever you chose to call God, as it moves through everything, even down through sub-atomics. The way Tom Brown summed it up was the best. He didn't have any prejudices when talking about The Spirit That Moves Through All Things. He wasn't' being judgmental. He was describing the harmonious, underlying thing, which kind of rolls everything together."
Did you ever see the 'Felicity' show? There's a character on this show called Sean. His real name is Greg Grunberg, and let me tell you that he looks just like Chino, specially his eyes and mouth. Greg also plays a role in the movie 'Hollow Man'. I guess if I made a defmorphation of both you probably wouldn't see the difference. Check a pic of both |here|. (thanks to Abby Diaz for this cool stuff)
The object on the Deftones' first album - Adrenaline - ain't a kid's top, like it appears to be. That is an aspirator, used for babies when they have mucous in their lungs or nose since they cannot blow it out themselves. You squeeze the hollow air filled ball and place it into their nose or throat and release and it sucks up unwanted matter.
You can't pick your fans, and you can't pick your fans' noses. But, as Chino Moreno learned on June, 20th 1998 (his birthday) during a show at Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre in Irvine, Ca., occasionally, if the timing's right, a fan can pick your nose. It seems when Moreno dove headfirst into the crowd during the band's performance of its hard-
Morphation is the technology that some directors use on the making of movies or some other kind of audiovisual work. It became famous on the unforgettable Michael Jackson's "Black and White" video. Since then "Terminator 2" or more recently "Matrix" also used the same technique to mix images, people faces are the main target. With this same idea, I used morphation to mix Deftones' faces. This is the DEFmorphation gallery, simply click on the link to see how it worked.
Yes! Chino played drums when he was invited by Grady Avenell in a Will Haven concert.
It was a frozen day. In the middle of the "Around the fur" European Tour the band faced a setback when their bus broke down on the way to Stockholm (Sweden) leaving the group stranded in sub-zero temperatures until the bus was repaired. This happened just a few days after the Deftones tour van been assaulted.
As so many bands out there, the Deftones are no exception. They've been robbed several times. Once was on the "Around the fur" European Tour while the band was playing a gig in Berlin (Germany), thieves pillaged the group's tour van making off with camera equipment and CDs. The most valuable were video tapes containing performance and behind-the-scenes footage, that the band had hoped to compile on a home video release. This pillage also left the band with no clothes, except for what they were wearing on stage that night.
This story was told by Chino's mom and it happened when he was a young teenager...it starts like this;
Abe Cunningham wasn't the first Deftones drummer. John Taylor (photo) was the drummer before Abe. John stayed with the band a couple of months before Abe definitively agreed to be the drummer. Then John left Deftones and went to a band called Prayer Wheel.
Max Cavalera formerly Sepultura's vocalist, was wearing a Deftones t-shirt on Sepultura's video "Roots Bloody Roots". It was a red t-shirt and it appeared a lot during the video, that t-shirt contained this Deftones logo:
For the ones that didn't reach the end of the pac-man style game that came with the "White Pony" enhanced cd, I tell you if you end the game you can hear an extra track, that is "Elite", played on a Deftones' rehearsal. It's not like the movie that came with the cd, but it contains the entire song. You only have to reach the end of the 6th level. There's also a trick on this game, if you double click on the walls you can pass through them, but watch out cause the Deftones also pass this same walls...
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